tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678671341796735502.post8433149952035725065..comments2023-11-02T02:40:04.373-07:00Comments on Wild (North) West Litigator: What Obama's Win Means to Non-MinoritiesCPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09049860284871030328noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678671341796735502.post-3998976667983141512008-11-09T06:15:00.000-08:002008-11-09T06:15:00.000-08:00(that last comment was from me)sarah(that last comment was from me)<BR/>sarahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678671341796735502.post-89801284033676958812008-11-09T06:14:00.000-08:002008-11-09T06:14:00.000-08:00Hmm, CM - I see your point, but I also think lots ...Hmm, CM - I see your point, but I also think lots of people think discrimination against women is legitimate in a way that discrimination against ethnic minorities is not, because gender differences are "real" while skin color is not. Also, many women have to worry about domestic violence, poverty, and single parenthood in ways that men do not. I think being a high socio-economic-status woman in America is pretty good, but that doesn't mena that low-income women don't face unique gender-based problems. Just a thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678671341796735502.post-61478883177830025382008-11-07T21:43:00.000-08:002008-11-07T21:43:00.000-08:00@cm - i agree, being a woman is not the same exper...@cm - i agree, being a woman is not the same experience as being of an ethnic minority. being a male of an ethnic minority is not the same experience as being a female of an ethnic minority. i certainly don't think all minorities have the same experiences, just pointing out that women have historically experienced (and in many places in the world today continue to experience) suppressed rights, which US citizen women are lucky to have largely overcome. even so, we should never take for granted the fact that we (as women) had to fight for, among other things, the right to vote, to own property, to hold jobs, to be treated as equals to men, to be viewed as more than child-like or emotionally frail, to choose divorce, to co-habitate, etc. and i say this as a woman who is also an ethnic minority. just sayin, i am often guilty of overlooking these things.jehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10325718347907489658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678671341796735502.post-80405622585831800922008-11-07T17:17:00.000-08:002008-11-07T17:17:00.000-08:00Responding to je, women do NOT share the same expe...Responding to je, women do NOT share the same experience as ethnic minorities. I'm not saying that women are treated on an absolutely egalitarian basis, but in 2008 in America, women experience significantly less discrimination. I think of it this way: <BR/>women < non-black ethnic minorities < African-Americans (in a way) < gays<BR/><BR/>With women, we're concerned about equal pay and about equal numbers of women in high-profile jobs. With ethnic minorities, depending on the minority, we're concerned about basic tolerance. With African-Americans, we're concerned about widespread poverty issues ultimately caused by slavery and lingering racism. With gay people, we're concerned about not having them commit suicide while they're teenagers. <BR/><BR/>We have made progress in equality for all of these groups, and we still have a ways to go for each. But that doesn't mean they're all the same.<BR/><BR/>Cee, I know you just talked about "us" versus "them" distinctions and how we should get past those! I do think we should all recognize, though, that people in this country have very different experiences depending on who we are. We have to understand what all those experiences are like before we can really begin to come together as a nation. (In particular, I think the black experience is unique and that it's very difficult to understand the level of racism black people face in daily life if you are not black.) <BR/><BR/>Anyway, I went off on this whole thing when, after reading your post, I just wanted to say that I thought it was perceptive.CMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01559451322234777335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678671341796735502.post-57724566077476208612008-11-07T16:58:00.000-08:002008-11-07T16:58:00.000-08:00interesting post! i was struck, while reading, th...interesting post! i was struck, while reading, that you do not identify yourself as a minority even though you are a woman. i know that women are not "technically" minorities and i, like you, was raised in an encouraging environment in which i never saw my gender as a barrier to anything. but i feel like substantial prejudicial, if not oppressive, treatment of women in this country (and world); and sometimes i am surprised to be reminded how recently so many of the rights we now enjoy were granted to us. so, i'd say you should go ahead and celebrate obama's victory as a minority anyway!jehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10325718347907489658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678671341796735502.post-31405091277515690942008-11-07T14:23:00.000-08:002008-11-07T14:23:00.000-08:00niceniceButterflyfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107438909973957940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678671341796735502.post-83123113685812201292008-11-07T10:34:00.000-08:002008-11-07T10:34:00.000-08:00I have nothing profound to add, but I just wanted ...I have nothing profound to add, but I just wanted to say it's so great to have you back! :- ) I was getting worried when you hadn't posted in awhile.FSDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08589454118258995448noreply@blogger.com